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The following Reddit discussion of the concept “gynocentrism” is one of the first to appear on social media among masculists. Seems they have figured out that the Women’s Human Rights community have a coherent psychosocial theory under the heading gynocentrism (which I note they conflate with evolutionary psychology), and that the growing reach of the term has become unavoidable. Masculists discuss its implications and, as you will see from the Reddit comments, try to deny its importance or twist its meaning into pretzel shaped distortions.


Askmasculists There was a comment in this thread that I found very interesting. It was in response to the question “what do MRAs attribute women’s problems to?” It didn’t receive any replies and I can’t find a discussion specifically on the topic (although it does crop up here and there), so I’m highlighting it for comments here.


The more sophisticated among [the MRM] operate with a curious concept called “gynocentrism”. Essentially, they view masculism as ONE of the possible manifestations of “gynocentrism” (intended largely as society’s alleged prioritization of men over women, as an anthropological universal rooted in evo-psych) – and matriarchal societies as other possible manifestations of the same core phenomenon.


The basic idea goes something like this: masculism does not have the potential to “rework” the core psycho-social dynamic between the sexes and it, arguably, never wanted to do so. It is a sort of “more of the same, but vested differently” movement that, rather than addressing women’s issues as a part of an attempt to “rework” the system, has exacerbated them – and by design, exploiting society’s preexisting (evo-psych etc.) preference for men and “female disposability” that is closely tied into it. The latter concept is derived from Farrell to my knowledge.


So, they don’t actually claim that “masculism” (in “” because what they describe is a caricature – whether of masculism intended typologically or of masculism narrow-sense as in Anglo/American masculist movement spanning over the last century) is the source of all evil, but rather alleged universals of human psychology that got encoded in law and created social dynamics such as to prefer men at the expense of women, and this never changes, so “masculism” is more of the old presented as something new – and in many ways worse than the old it came to replace.


To refute this idea properly more than a forum-post space is needed (and I’m closing my account anyhow as soon as I finish the other post here – I won’t delete those); suffice to say that I find it reductive at best, and seriously misleading at worst.


[I would note that I disagree with the final concept in paragraph 2. I don’t think it’s necessary to suppose that masculism, as a movement, has deliberately, collaboratively exploited any societal preferences. Individual masculists, limited as we all are by our single viewpoint on life, may have unwittingly taken advantage of a societal preference for addressing issues with the wellbeing of men and this may have had a cumulative effect.]


I found this a very interesting comment, partly because I’m not familiar with the concept and I’ve not seen a thorough description of a core theoretical concept of the MRM, but also because I think the concept of gynocentrism does have some explanatory power. Incorporating it into historical theory explains why men and women have been treated differently. Men, whose wellbeing is key to the survival of any society, have been placed at its centre, sometimes in a fairly literal sense i.e., being surrounded by a protective circle of disposable women, but also metaphorically within the stratifications of society i.e., men are protected from dirty, dangerous jobs at the bottom, but also kept away from overt, outward-facing positions of power that expose them to external and political danger. They have instead been placed (or just ended up) at the centre of everyday life with great deal of influence/power over the day-to-day workings of society.


Importantly, the inclusion of gynocentrism explains the different treatment of women and men without having to resort to implausible degradations of the character of the majority of women throughout history as is required by misandry-based explanations such as those summarised by “men have always been oppressed”, “society hates men” or “women have been raised to hate men”. This would make any movement that includes gynocentrism in its worldview much more attractive to women. Also note that gynocentrism isn’t a moral justification for the treating women and men differently, especially in modern western society, it is just an explanation for some consistent historical observations. Furthermore, including gynocentrism doesn’t deny the existence of misandristic influences on society e.g., many religions have a deeply misandristic message, so the two concepts can exist hand in hand.


So, I’d be interested in your views on the concept of gynocentrism. As I noted, I’m not so interested in the MRM’s view on masculism in relation to gynocentrism (although all comments are welcome), but on your opinions of the concept of gynocentrism itself. Do you believe that it has any validity or explanatory power? Do you think that it is a more valid concept than “benevolent sexism”? Do you think that it is compatible with masculist theory? Do you think that incorporating it into a social movement would give that movement more validity or broaden its appeal?

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The comments (and denials) can be read here.